He is also the best football player on the team who we see win the big game! He then claims that people of color were removed from the film to whiten it. His ego is boosted by the toxic Snyder cult. r/comicbooks takes sides and rails about cancel culture "Because what Whedon did wasnt actually any more egregious than being a micromanaging harass director which, given he has made studios literally billions over the years, means that his method is acceptable. 4. More posts from the OutOfTheLoop community. I think a combination of inexperience and narcissism makes that seem like an enormous personal slight to him. It was still a mess. (He wanted Warner Media, but he says the investigator was hired by Warner Pictures). News & Discussion about Major Motion Pictures There's been an update and sounds like he's backpedalling on some of his claims because he accused Whedon, but he actually doesn't know if he said some things he's accusing. He has said Warner is performing an internal investigation but I haven't seen official confirmation of that. Continuing The Whitening, in the same interview Fisher makes charges of racist comments from executives: “Prior to Justice League’s reshoot process, blatantly racist conversations were had and entertained—on multiple occasions—by former and current top level executives at Warner Bros. Pictures,” Fisher stated. The erasure of people of color from the 2017 theatrical version of Justice League was neither an accident nor coincidence, But those characters are all from backstories that had to be removed to fit Snyder's 4+ hour marathon into a 2-hour theater movie. But after the accusations came, and an investigation got underway, Warner Bros. decided to cut ties with Fisher. Is that really how weak we have become? He currently resides in Camden, New Jersey, USA. Ray Fisher used the BLM hype train to portray himself as a helpless victim of the evil, egomaniacal Joss Whedon. Neeraj Chand — March 14, 2021; 496 shares; Facebook; Twitter; Reddit… This is Ray Fishers first film role, and he was seemingly somewhat of a golden boy with a "seat at the directors table". Evidence: 0. ", Target list of evil bad guys: Joss Whedon (director). You read that correctly. Fisher offered no corroboration for his claims, and attempts to reach his representatives for further clarification went unanswered. Fisher says that he tried to take his grievances up the proper channels and for doing so got threatened by Johns. A new report claims Cyborg actor Ray Fisher didn't begin his campaign against Warner Bros. over working on the Justice League reshoots until after he was offered only a small cameo in The Flash. Somebody on another forum pointed out that the latest tweet by Fisher actually accuses Johns of committing a crime. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts Dude, Snyder is not doing "extensive reshoots". That because someone yells we have to ruin their entire life and career? Now I think it's just the studio execs who don't know what they are doing. best. In this time Fisher had started to go after a third executive, Walter Hamada. NEWS. Target list of evil bad guys: Walter Hamada (DC Films president). WB wanted to release a 120 minute movie in theatres, which Snyder had trouble with since he already made a massive movie, he made many shorter cuts, but the shorter the cut, the less sense the movie made. When reached for comment on Wednesday afternoon, Berg told Variety that it was “categorically untrue that we enabled any unprofessional behavior.”, “I remember [Fisher] being upset that we wanted him to say ‘Booyaa,’ which is a well known saying of Cyborg in the animated series,” Berg added. Fisher seems desperate to prove racism and it's either not there or he hasn't presented it. The very worst thing to come out so far is that Joss yells sometimes. Perhaps even reducing his screen time. Then out goes Snyder, and in comes Whedon, treating him like everyone else, messing with the scripts and reshooting his scenes. 3 2. Do you know why I don't? WB made an official statement once, and Joss's rep made that specific reply once, but otherwise, it has been entirely Ray Fisher. 250k members in the DC_Cinematic community. Ray Fisher (born June 5, 1988) is famous for being movie actor. Also, initially many people were dismissing Ray Fisher’s allegations, saying that he was upset because of his lack of screen time and smaller salary compared to the other cast members. Ray Fisher announced back at the end of August that Warner Bros. had launched an investigation looking into his accusations. Commenters are saying maybe what he misheard was that they were changing the color tone of the film and not a specific person of color. 832 comments. Ray Fisher had still more to say about WarnerMedia, although this shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone following the beef between the Justice League actor and Warner Bros., and DC Films. But it wasn't. Ray has the biggest name as other crew members (people working behind the scenes) don't want a financial backlash by coming forward with their names against Joss Whedon and not getting future work, so Ray Fisher is using himself as a shield for them and is trying to use SAG to protect them and bring Joss Whedon, Geoff Johns and Jon Berg face some consequences for their actions. Facebook Twitter Flipboard Reddit Pinterest WhatsApp. Last month, Fisher praised Snyder for “empowering” him. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. to add to this, ray was going to play a much larger part in zack’s cut - zack even went so far as to call him the heart of the movie, I'm not sure why anything would think Zach Snyder's cut would be better. https://io9.gizmodo.com/joss-whedon-s-lawyers-deny-ray-fisher-s-newest-allegati-1845529642. Any fan who has watched Zack Snyder’s Justice League realizes that Ray Fisher was done dirty by the theatrically released version spearheaded by Joss Whedon and Warner Bros. brass. Will Ray Fisher get to return as Cyborg in The Flash movie after all? They still only wanted a 120 min movie since the sale to AT&T was going through and the higher ups wanted more JL sales for they're year end bonuses. Then Jason Momoa spoke out in support of Fisher and explicitly backed up what he was saying. A subreddit to help you keep up to date with what's going on with reddit and other stuff. It's not about bullying. “Decision-makers that participated in those racist conversations were Geoff Johns, Jon Berg, and current Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman Toby Emmerich.” Emmerich, Berg, and Johns did not immediately respond for comment. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. (Whedon's rep confirms those changes were made before he joined.). Press J to jump to the feed. You only have to see Zach Snyder's Justice League to see why Fisher loves it so much. In a new Instagram post, the Aquaman actor confessed he agrees with Fisher’s position, which is their treatment on the set was unfair and unconscionable, to say the least. Movies; Ray Fisher's Cyborg written out of 'The Flash': Report . This whole thing just reeks of two Karens fighting over a parking space. Zach may have a chance with his new cut of the film which sounds like it will be done without the studio execs input. Thank you, but in the, what feels like a, year since all this started has there not been any further updates? NEWS. Warner Bros. [..] remains committed to investigating any specific and credible allegation of misconduct, which thus far Mr. Fisher has failed to provide.". https://www.nme.com/news/film/justice-league-actor-ray-fisher-criticises-director-joss-whedon-for-gross-and-abusive-behaviour-on-set-2699999. This investigator has attempted multiple times to meet with Mr. Fisher to discuss his concerns but, to date, Mr. Fisher has declined to speak to the investigator. 24.8m members in the movies community. I think Joss became the focus of it because he was the one standing between actors and producers, and because his methods were different than Snyder's, which caused tension with some of the actors. Joss refused, and was possibly rude when he did. This seems like it may be the source of Fisher's racism claims-- but since he won't say more except for vague hints, we don't know. Because he literally won't give me a single reason to. The actor then details what his responsibilities are. Fisher has been on the warpath against Whedon and … The long version: While there is no evidence that Joss did anything wrong, there is quite a bit of evidence that Ray Fisher is lying, starting with his shifting mish-mash of claims, which begin to get truly insane towards the end, like suggesting Joss tried to make his skin whiter (??). I think Ray Fisher is a narcissist. The individual who offered this statement acknowledged that this was just something that he had heard from someone else and accepted as truth, when in fact simple research would prove that it was false. This combined with the fact that Ben Affleck and Gal Gadot et al seemed to not be saying anything about Joss Whedon either way made his claims seem insubstantial. He only heard from a third-party. /s. TLDR: Ray Fisher refuses to say what Joss said to him that was so bad, so it's kind of hard to refute, huh? Ray Fisher then accused Joss of altering his skin tone to make him whiter, Fisher makes charges of racist comments from executives. Log in or sign up to leave a comment Log In Sign Up. Notably, Mr. Hamada also told Mr. Fisher that he would elevate his concerns to WarnerMedia so they could conduct an investigation. I thought it was the only thing that would save Justice League from the meandering mess of the other DC movies. But here is what seems to have happened: Ray wanted to change or expand his character's story. The 9 biggest grievances in Ray Fisher's interview about Joss Whedon's "Justice League" misconduct Details have emerged about the obstacles Ray Fisher… report. 85 votes, 62 comments. There's just one Karen. https://www.nme.com/news/film/joss-whedon-leaves-hbo-series-the-nevers-following-investigation-ray-fisher-claims-2826959?amp. This is the "Trump count/recount" of the movie industry and DC Fans are Trump fans demanding a recount. In the movie he's just perfect in every way, and I think Fisher couldn't handle having that removed. Have fun flipping burgers to pay the bills too, because no one will hire you. Mr. Fisher recounted disagreements he'd had with the film's creative team regarding his portrayal of Cyborg, and complained that his suggested script revisions were not adopted. Still not satisfied, Mr. Fisher insisted that WarnerMedia hire an independent third-party investigator. “I don’t praise Chris Terrio and Zack Snyder for simply putting me in Justice League. I don’t know why they’re bothering trying to fix this movie. And this may be inflammatory to say, but I think the political situation of summer 2020 played a part. 94% Upvoted. He will go after your directors, then your producers, and then, if you send the company president to try to talk to him, Ray will go after him. They're scared you'll try to burn their business to the ground. While Ray Fisher said he would never work for Walter Hamada again, he took issue with being cut loose from The Flash. Since Zack … Answer: Ray Fisher, the actor who played Cyborg, has alleged that the Justice League reshoots were a "toxic and abusive work environment," . NEWS: Ray Fisher says he has been removed from the cast of The Flash. He later took issue with the investigator he believed was hired by the Warner studio and not WarnerMedia itself. Fisher's unwillingness to move on, without providing and evidence to support his claims, has become more entertaining than the Justice League movie itself. This process was further complicated on this project by the fact that [original director] Zack [Snyder] shot on film, while Joss shot on digital, which required the team, led by the same senior colorist who has worked on previous films for Zack, to reconcile the two. Fisher’s claims were deemed unfounded and without evidence at one point. Press J to jump to the feed. I think you simply are unwilling to accept that there are people above you on a totem pole, and on Twitter, you can be that person, so have fun. Because that's what he did: he will never work in Hollywood again. I am not sure I believe that Joss was the unprofessional one, and if you want me to believe it, you need to give me a reason to, because all of the circumstantial evidence you have given me says the problem is you. What could they do? While Mr. Fisher never alleged any actionable misconduct against him, WarnerMedia nonetheless initiated an investigation into the concerns he'd raised about his character's portrayal. 2. Evidence: 0. Ray Fisher was originally supposed to co-star in The Flash movie alongside Ezra Miller. No one said anything racist that he has presented. Ray Fisher then accused Joss of altering his skin tone to make him whiter. Sort by. "Booya" isn't racist; I don't know where he got that (or maybe he just didn't like the word). I think Fisher lives on social media and is egged on by people there. Ray Fisher will not be appearing in the upcoming “Flash” movie, as his character Cyborg has been written out of the film’s screenplay, The Wrap reports. For more background: Zack Snyder was the original director of Justice League, but stepped down when the film was nearing completion for various reasons. But it was probably a massive task to do in a short time, that he probably was a bit abusive. Which comes to Ray Fisher, he claims that Joss Whedon was abusive during the JL reshoots, and that he was abusive to a lot of the cast and crew, Ray tried to bring a complaint against Joss but Geoff Johns and Jon Berg didn't take it seriously. The former Cyborg actor says … He named several people, Whedon among them, as the cause for the working environment. Fisher offered no corroboration for his claims, and attempts to reach his representatives for further clarification went unanswered. Snyder is currently doing extensive reshoots of his own for the project, which is why this three year old, critically panned film continues to make headlines. Geoff Johns is still working with WarnerMedia, despite Ray Fisher's claim that Johns is leaving after the "Justice League" investigation. 1/2. Close. No one made his skin lighter. Jason Momoa stands with his Justice League costar Ray Fisher and is opening up about his experiences filming the reshoots of Justice League under Joss Whedon. He has said Warner is performing an internal investigation but I haven't seen official confirmation of that. Then of course the Covenant of the Spineless show up, actors from Whedon's other projects. Ray Fisher accused Joss of "gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable" behavior, and said that Geoff Johns, then president of DC Entertainment, and producer Jon Berg "enabled" such behavior. : https://io9.gizmodo.com/joss-whedon-s-lawyers-deny-ray-fisher-s-newest-allegati-1845529642. Everyone is too scared to hire him. Do you know what I think? Actor Ray Fisher accused director Joss Whedon of “gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable” behavior on the set of the 2017 film “Justice League,” in a tw… He named several people, Whedon among them, as the cause for the working environment. Snyder already said last week that the reshoots he's done amount to only 4 mins of footage in the final movie. As is standard on almost all films, there were numerous people involved with mixing the final product, including the editor, special effects person, composer, etc. They hired an independent investigator, but Fisher refused to participate in the investigation. That is a whole lot of text to reiterate the first sentence. Posted by 3 months ago. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. OTHER. More posts from the SlanderingJossWhedon community, Continue browsing in r/SlanderingJossWhedon, A sub about the slander campaign against Joss Whedon on Reddit, Press J to jump to the feed. In the comics, at least he's a genius because his father experimented on him. Joss has been writing and directing great productions for 30 years, and Ray Fisher couldn't make it through one. Ray Fisher accused Joss of "gross, abusive, unprofessional, and completely unacceptable" behavior, and said that Geoff Johns, then president of DC Entertainment, and producer Jon Berg "enabled" such behavior. We use cookies on our websites for a number of purposes, including analytics and performance, functionality and advertising. Reddit LinkedIn WhatsApp Email Print Talk Ray Fisher as Cyborg in “Justice League” Warner Bros. Pictures /Courtesy Everett Collection. Related: Ray Fisher Claims Joss Whedon’s Departure From HBO’s Nevers Related To Justice League Investigation. WB hired Joss Whedon to do massive reshoots, redoing scenes to shorten the movie so that he could make a 2 hour movie that made some sense. Credit: Warner Bros. Or he was pleased until later in the month when the New York Times did a piece … Fisher claims he had to end the interview early because he thought the investigator had been hired by the wrong company. They included Cyborg's mom, the black girl Flash saved in his extended intro, and less time for Cyborg's dad. All of his behavior points to it, like destroying his entire career over a perceived slight. Earlier this year, WarnerMedia launched an investigation into the conduct of several key figures behind the 2017 superhero film Justice League after one of the film's stars, Ray Fisher, accused filmmakers including replacement director Joss Whedon of "abusive" conduct behind the scenes. Reddit; Pinterest; LinkedIn; Tumblr; Breadcrumb Trail Links. He is the top of his class! He had already shot 5 hours of assembly footage in 2016, which he cut into a 214 minute "directors cut" in early 2017(that's 3.5 hours) . Your one stop for DC Films news and discussion, as well as past DC films and … They were trying to cut Snyder's 4+ hour marathon into a 2-hour movie for theaters, and that means character origin stories have to go. Variety. “They let Tsujihara ‘step down’,” reads Ray Fisher’s tweet calling out WarnerMedia. Related: Cyborg Actor Ray Fisher Responds to Warner Bros.’s … Whedon spent a great deal of time on reshoots, where the cast and crew are brought back to film new material that the director decides is needed during the editing process. SOCIAL MEDIA: Ray Fisher is actually accusing Geoff Johns of committing a CRIME. share. Is it because of the phenomenal success of Man of Steel? (While Reddit trolls focus on Joss for their own reasons, Ray Fisher himself has focused more on the executives above Joss, for not correcting Joss in a way he was satisfied with.). His other movies were OK but none were the massive hits they could have been and none touched Joss Whedon's Avengers success. Target list of evil bad guys: Toby Emmerich (Warner Bros. Pictures Group chairman) + all the rest. They shouldn't have been in there in the first place. Justice League actor Ray Fisher claims that Joss Whedon was abusive, and accuses Geoff Johns of threatening his career. This is an interesting claim because that was before Joss even came on. So I felt like this deserves a separate post. "Zack Snyder was the original director of Justice League, but stepped down when the film was nearing completion for various reasons.". I think Fisher feels aggrieved because his character's story was cut. His character is a perfect Mary Sue. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Fisher failed to substantiate any claims of racism. The shortest cut he made was 140mins, but that made absolutely no sense since it was missing many important scenes that give context that WB thought it was unwatchable. Ray Fisher is now claiming that all of his Justice League scenes were reshot except for one when Joss Whedon took over. Initially, Snyder wanted to release a 2 hour 50 min theatrical movie, with a 3.5 hour directors cut in bluray, but after WB wanted a 2 hour theatrical movie, he was having a hard time convincing them to release a longer cut and then he had a family tragedy(his daughter committed suicide), him losing the interest to fight the higher ups. NEWS: Ray Fisher says he has been removed from the cast of The Flash. When Joss was brought into replace Zach I was thrilled. Friendly reminder that all top level comments must: start with "answer:" (or "question:" if you have an on-topic follow up question to ask). I think it's important to highlight that these are not allegations of sexual misconduct, despite the comparison being made to other big Hollywood names stepping down for this reason. I think he convinced himself, with the help of Twitter, that Cyborg's backstory was cut because of racism and Joss Whedon, when it had nothing to do with either. While it would not surprise me if Whedon came across as arrogant and rude, that doesn't mean he's racist. Ray Fisher is trying to destroy the career of every person he has come into contact with, and I just don't believe they all did something to warrant it. Ray Fisher, the actor behind Justice League‘s Cyborg, says that former DC boss Geoff Johns threatened his career during reshoots. The black characters weren't removed because they were black; they were removed because they were side characters that didn't fit into a feature-length movie. But Fisher will not elaborate on what the comments were, and towards the end he admits he heard of them second hand. 7.2k. Fans of DC have been demanding that Warner release Snyder's original cut of the film, as they believe it must be much better than what was released under Whedon. I have the exact thoughts on Ray. Mr. Hamada explained that creative differences are a normal part of the production process, and that a film's writer/director ultimately has to be in charge of these matters. Just to be clear, it was a little more than "various reasons", his daughter committed suicide... https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/zack-snyder-steps-down-justice-league-deal-family-tragedy-1006455. It seems like every couple of weeks this year I see another post or article about accusations and investigations but has anything been actually been claimed or uncovered? Last year, Justice League star Ray Fisher hit out at Joss Whedon, the man responsible for succeeding Zack Snyder in … Come on. Ray Fisher explains how Joss Whedon indulged in gaslighting behavior on the sets of Justice League. The decision was made before Joss even came on, but I think anyone would come to the same conclusion. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Target list of evil bad guys: Joss Whedon (director), Jon Berg (producer) and Geoff Johns (president of DC entertainment). Answer: Ray Fisher, the actor who played Cyborg, has alleged that the Justice League reshoots were a "toxic and abusive work environment," (source). level 1. “I praise them for EMPOWERING me (a Black man with no film credits to his name) with a seat at the creative table and input on the framing of the Stones before there was even a script!”. 3. Ray Fisher as Cyborg in Justice League (2017). hide. with the senior colorist responsible for the final version’s tone, colors, and mood. Whedon was brought in to rescue the project because he had directed the Avengers films which were hits. Sounds like a lot of shit happened behind the scenes regardless. Combine with working overtime filming and it leads to conflict. Evidence: 0. Warner Bros. actually responded. 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